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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by lost » Saturday 11 March 2017 12:28

K3rryBlue wrote: Sure there might be some defects, but this is related to all brands even the A-brands.
Some already pointed out that only those who have problems reports their anger on the internet. This may be true, but IMO not on a forum like this one: Users have been active before their orders. Many ordered several devices and reported their problems for those running as well as the defective ones, as a feedback on what was looking as a bargain at first (and for many, was not in the end).

I start having many devices, none of the A-branded ones failed for now and I have a 2 years waranty. 50% of Neo did very quickly. I don't think the remaining will last for long and buying in China = in practice, no waranty after product delivery confirmation (My advice: Confirm delivery a few days after, always better to convince seller to refund if confirmation not done).

That's my own statistics and many other can exhibits the same. These facts have to be told, so others can make their mind.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by K3rryBlue » Saturday 11 March 2017 14:09

i know a lot of crap comes from those factories.
I would only prefer some more foundation/information.
Like some topics above. A switch burned by switching garden lighting. I would like to know where was the plug positioned. In the garden, shed, livingroom or....
I had even a manual ip65 switch burned out, not by the switch, but by moisture that gather in one of the lamps.
All i am trying to say, not all Chinese stuff is crap. But first look for information before buying them.

An example regarding rebranding (price difference between them 8-10 euro buying in Europe or > 20 buying them in China):
POPP WALL PLUG DIMMER - SCHUKO (POP-DIMF) (german "quality" product)
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and TKB_TZ67-G, different brand, same product. (Chinese "Cheap" product)
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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by lost » Saturday 11 March 2017 15:20

K3rryBlue wrote: An example regarding rebranding (price difference between them 8-10 euro buying in Europe or > 20 buying them in China):
POPP WALL PLUG DIMMER - SCHUKO (POP-DIMF) (german "quality" product)
and TKB_TZ67-G, different brand, same product. (Chinese "Cheap" product)
Well, POP is not known to produce in Europe like Qubino for instance... So may rebrand. As well, the case may be a standard one that may be fit to host very different products. Not seeing it's internal you just cannot be sure this is the exact same product.

As for Neo plugs that really looks like another one from a well known manufacturer from an oustide look: See your own photos here-upper, the right side not even all the soldering allowed by the PCB design on the power side is done to make assembly quicker. They also simplified the design as much as they could: The BOM may just be halved from one to another.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by xeonpj » Monday 13 March 2017 21:58

Hello friends, ZM5202 base xenon-m1, working todo domoticz??? Anyone probed???

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Monday 13 March 2017 23:23

xeonpj wrote:Hello friends, ZM5202 base xenon-m1, working todo domoticz??? Anyone probed???
Xenon's using a counterfeit chip and it won't be supported by openzwave ever. So you're on your own.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Tuesday 28 March 2017 21:17

So, Hank's smart socket finally arrived yesterday.

The overall impression is: it's a decent device by build, also it's quite heavy.

I've made the corresponding xml files and published into OZW.

Below are some photos.

https://goo.gl/photos/fBAdK1sHonjYibrU8

Hopefully Hank will have a B2C channel soon, so everyone can purchase their stuff.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by K3rryBlue » Tuesday 28 March 2017 21:39

Hi LouiS22,

Do you also have pictures from the inside?
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Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by sincze » Tuesday 28 March 2017 22:21

LouiS22 wrote:So, Hank's smart socket finally arrived yesterday.

The overall impression is: it's a decent device by build, also it's quite heavy.

I've made the corresponding xml files and published into OZW.

Below are some photos.

https://goo.gl/photos/fBAdK1sHonjYibrU8

Hopefully Hank will have a B2C channel soon, so everyone can purchase their stuff.
Any ideas about the pricing?

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Wednesday 29 March 2017 9:30

K3rryBlue wrote:Hi LouiS22,

Do you also have pictures from the inside?
No, I won't risk opening it.

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Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Wednesday 29 March 2017 9:30

sincze wrote:
LouiS22 wrote:So, Hank's smart socket finally arrived yesterday.

The overall impression is: it's a decent device by build, also it's quite heavy.

I've made the corresponding xml files and published into OZW.

Below are some photos.

https://goo.gl/photos/fBAdK1sHonjYibrU8

Hopefully Hank will have a B2C channel soon, so everyone can purchase their stuff.
Any ideas about the pricing?

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Sure, it was 25 USD (plus p+p).

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by sincze » Wednesday 29 March 2017 12:12

Price seems acceptable :) let's just wait for the first people to respond regarding safety.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Wednesday 29 March 2017 13:43

sincze wrote:Price seems acceptable :) let's just wait for the first people to respond regarding safety.

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I'm no expert on that, but I own two of the Neo Coolcam plugs. Compared to them (it's just an overall feeling) Hank's solution is better in terms of build quality. Of course the main thing is the question: what's inside. That's the one I don't know and not planning to open it.

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Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by sincze » Wednesday 29 March 2017 22:57

LouiS22 wrote:
sincze wrote:Price seems acceptable :) let's just wait for the first people to respond regarding safety.

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I'm no expert on that, but I own two of the Neo Coolcam plugs. Compared to them (it's just an overall feeling) Hank's solution is better in terms of build quality. Of course the main thing is the question: what's inside. That's the one I don't know and not planning to open it.
Ok. I also have several neo cool powerplugs up and running. The are mounted once in their final position and running nicely. To cover the whole house I needed to mount Fibaro plug halfway. Now all plugs are able to see the zwave stick. Only the oven at 3500w. Can't be dealt with by any zwave powerplug I was able to grab my hands on. Microwave. Quooker. Eg at 1750w work just fine. The Hank one looks nice let me see how I can order.

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Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Wednesday 29 March 2017 23:03

sincze wrote:
LouiS22 wrote:
sincze wrote:Price seems acceptable :) let's just wait for the first people to respond regarding safety.

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I'm no expert on that, but I own two of the Neo Coolcam plugs. Compared to them (it's just an overall feeling) Hank's solution is better in terms of build quality. Of course the main thing is the question: what's inside. That's the one I don't know and not planning to open it.
Ok. I also have several neo cool powerplugs up and running. The are mounted once in their final position and running nicely. To cover the whole house I needed to mount Fibaro plug halfway. Now all plugs are able to see the zwave stick. Only the oven at 3500w. Can't be dealt with by any zwave powerplug I was able to grab my hands on. Microwave. Quooker. Eg at 1750w work just fine. The Hank one looks nice let me see how I can order.

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I suggest dropping a line to them over Facebook. Worked in my case ;)

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by sincze » Saturday 01 April 2017 11:20

A the guys here also discuss the NEO products and powerplugs. https://forum.athom.com/discussion/1745/neo-z-wave/p2 they seem to have some different opinion regarding the safety. I am a noob regarding this so just mentioning it. Leave the discussion open for the experts.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by Luigi87 » Friday 05 May 2017 11:15

Hi guys,

the Neo Coolcam product range has some new product i would like to use, but i am not sure if they are supported by open zwave yet.
the page i looked for the conf. files don't show these products https://github.com/OpenZWave/open-zwave ... henzen_neo

the product i would like to use are:

The "NAS-RC01Z"
https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 96163.html
and:
the "NAS-SC01Z-2"
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Ho ... .44.6Lxajd

i think is have to place a request on the open-zwave github page, but i am not sure how to do this.

Can someone help me out?

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Saturday 06 May 2017 21:43

Luigi87 wrote:Hi guys,

the Neo Coolcam product range has some new product i would like to use, but i am not sure if they are supported by open zwave yet.
the page i looked for the conf. files don't show these products https://github.com/OpenZWave/open-zwave ... henzen_neo

the product i would like to use are:

The "NAS-RC01Z"
https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 96163.html
and:
the "NAS-SC01Z-2"
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Ho ... .44.6Lxajd

i think is have to place a request on the open-zwave github page, but i am not sure how to do this.

Can someone help me out?
https://github.com/OpenZWave/open-zwave ... ng-Devices

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by micha_pr » Wednesday 24 May 2017 14:22

Luigi87 wrote:...but i am not sure if they are supported by open zwave yet...
The "NAS-RC01Z"
https://nl.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 96163.html
and:
the "NAS-SC01Z-2"
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Ho ... .44.6Lxajd
Hi,

products will be supported by Domoticz - we just have them in test.
The XML is missing in this time, but it is not a problem.

But please note - the products are not "safety certified" in this time (but very nice,... agree ;) ).

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by EddyG » Saturday 03 June 2017 18:43

DarkAllMan wrote:Image

Received and added Neo Coolcam powerplug. But can someone explain all the devices and how to use them?
I can use the switch, but have no idea what to do with the rest :)
This is not the correct representation of the device.
Initially (when including) the plug in Domoticz they do not give the correct devices.
This could me corrected by deleting atleast Id 10 and 11 eg. both "Usage Electric"
Then via Setup -> Settings allow for 5 min to discover new devices. Manually switch on /off the plug.
Then you will end up with 2 new devices one of them will be General / kWh
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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Post by LouiS22 » Wednesday 07 June 2017 9:27

If someone wants to grab some neo coolcam stuff for cheap: https://brands.aliexpress.com/en?spm=21 ... 3.1.KUbb8x

Doors sensor for 15 eur? :)

(Disclaimer: Still not affiliated with the company :P)

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