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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby LouiS22 » Tuesday 10 January 2017 14:28

Luigi87 wrote:
LouiS22 wrote:Just a quick note: according to domoticz github, latest beta (6327) contains an OZW update, among other things the Neo Siren and Motion Sensor got an updated xml. I remember some of us had problems with these devices. I don't own these ones, so can't tell what's working or not though.


Ah nice, i have a sirene divice whitout parameters.
But i am a bit reserved about running the Beta versions. Don't like to introduce (more) bugs in my system.


you can always grab the relevant xmls to test your gear ;)

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby Luigi87 » Tuesday 10 January 2017 14:44

LouiS22 wrote:
Luigi87 wrote:
LouiS22 wrote:Just a quick note: according to domoticz github, latest beta (6327) contains an OZW update, among other things the Neo Siren and Motion Sensor got an updated xml. I remember some of us had problems with these devices. I don't own these ones, so can't tell what's working or not though.


Ah nice, i have a sirene divice whitout parameters.
But i am a bit reserved about running the Beta versions. Don't like to introduce (more) bugs in my system.


you can always grab the relevant xmls to test your gear ;)


How does this works? I know how to place a XML in the Open Z-wave folder, but not to get it from the Domoticz data.
And when the XML is in the folder, do i need to exclude and include the sirene again?

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby LouiS22 » Tuesday 10 January 2017 15:02

Ithink you have to exclude, so do that.

1. make a backup of your manufacturer_specific.xml.
2. Then visit domoticz github: https://github.com/domoticz/domoticz/tree/master/Config
3. grab the manufacturer_specific.xml and the files from shenzen_neo folder.
4. Place the neo folder files into your neo folder files
5. place the new specific.xml
6. reboot your pi
7. include your device

Hopefully you'll have a fully working stuff.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby kman » Tuesday 10 January 2017 21:15

Hi All,
Thanks for all the super info in this thread.
@Louis: Thank you for the starting the discussion on chinese sensors. Following which I have ordered PIR, Door, and Water leakage sensors.
(there is so much going on in this thread, it is a little dizzing to get this info, if everything is OK with this chinese PIR and Door - as I awaiting mine to be delivered)
Btw, it's also nice to see the open-zwave has already added the necessary configuration for these (just need to grab them, when I have my sensors arrive)
+ .../open-zwave-master/config/manufacturer_specific.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-ds01z.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-pd01z.xml"
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

So, two quick questions:

1. So, is the performance of chinese PIR and Door sensor reliable?

2. Also, has someone tried to use these chinese sensors in combination with TKB range extender & does it work well?

thanks again.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby Luigi87 » Wednesday 11 January 2017 11:24

LouiS22 wrote:Ithink you have to exclude, so do that.

1. make a backup of your manufacturer_specific.xml.
2. Then visit domoticz github: https://github.com/domoticz/domoticz/tree/master/Config
3. grab the manufacturer_specific.xml and the files from shenzen_neo folder.
4. Place the neo folder files into your neo folder files
5. place the new specific.xml
6. reboot your pi
7. include your device

Hopefully you'll have a fully working stuff.


Thanks i will try to fix this tonight :D

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Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby Justintime » Wednesday 11 January 2017 12:03

kman wrote:Hi All,
Thanks for all the super info in this thread.
@Louis: Thank you for the starting the discussion on chinese sensors. Following which I have ordered PIR, Door, and Water leakage sensors.
(there is so much going on in this thread, it is a little dizzing to get this info, if everything is OK with this chinese PIR and Door - as I awaiting mine to be delivered)
Btw, it's also nice to see the open-zwave has already added the necessary configuration for these (just need to grab them, when I have my sensors arrive)
+ .../open-zwave-master/config/manufacturer_specific.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-ds01z.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-pd01z.xml"
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

So, two quick questions:

1. So, is the performance of chinese PIR and Door sensor reliable?

2. Also, has someone tried to use these chinese sensors in combination with TKB range extender & does it work well?

thanks again.

I have modified two doorsensors for controlling the PGX and PGY sockets on my alarm system.
And they are always correct. Can't tell you about the battery life though, because i feed them with a step down buck converter.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby kman » Wednesday 11 January 2017 18:19

Quick Updates:

Motion Sensor (supports - lux, motion -----NO TEMP):
-------------------
1. Motion Detection: seems fine; on Group 2, I receive the motion detection.

Issues:
---------
1. Lux: I don't see any device for Lux. Has anyone seen this working?

2. Inclusion: Worked only by "Include Node". Did not work when I tried "Include Node Secure"


thanks.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby sincze » Wednesday 11 January 2017 23:47

Justintime wrote:
kman wrote:Hi All,
Thanks for all the super info in this thread.
@Louis: Thank you for the starting the discussion on chinese sensors. Following which I have ordered PIR, Door, and Water leakage sensors.
(there is so much going on in this thread, it is a little dizzing to get this info, if everything is OK with this chinese PIR and Door - as I awaiting mine to be delivered)
Btw, it's also nice to see the open-zwave has already added the necessary configuration for these (just need to grab them, when I have my sensors arrive)
+ .../open-zwave-master/config/manufacturer_specific.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-ds01z.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-pd01z.xml"
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

So, two quick questions:

1. So, is the performance of chinese PIR and Door sensor reliable?

2. Also, has someone tried to use these chinese sensors in combination with TKB range extender & does it work well?

thanks again.

I have modified two doorsensors for controlling the PGX and PGY sockets on my alarm system.
And they are always correct. Can't tell you about the battery life though, because i feed them with a step down buck converter.

Jablotron Oasis perhaps??

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby Justintime » Thursday 12 January 2017 8:21

sincze wrote:
Justintime wrote:
kman wrote:Hi All,
Thanks for all the super info in this thread.
@Louis: Thank you for the starting the discussion on chinese sensors. Following which I have ordered PIR, Door, and Water leakage sensors.
(there is so much going on in this thread, it is a little dizzing to get this info, if everything is OK with this chinese PIR and Door - as I awaiting mine to be delivered)
Btw, it's also nice to see the open-zwave has already added the necessary configuration for these (just need to grab them, when I have my sensors arrive)
+ .../open-zwave-master/config/manufacturer_specific.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-ds01z.xml
+ "shenzen_neo/nas-pd01z.xml"
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

So, two quick questions:

1. So, is the performance of chinese PIR and Door sensor reliable?

2. Also, has someone tried to use these chinese sensors in combination with TKB range extender & does it work well?

thanks again.

I have modified two doorsensors for controlling the PGX and PGY sockets on my alarm system.
And they are always correct. Can't tell you about the battery life though, because i feed them with a step down buck converter.

Jablotron Oasis perhaps??

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk

Yes, Oasis 80

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby sincze » Thursday 12 January 2017 9:25

Justintime wrote:
sincze wrote:
Justintime wrote:I have modified two doorsensors for controlling the PGX and PGY sockets on my alarm system.
And they are always correct. Can't tell you about the battery life though, because i feed them with a step down buck converter.

Jablotron Oasis perhaps??

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk

Yes, Oasis 80

Can I have a wiki how :)

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Postby Justintime » Thursday 12 January 2017 10:49

sincze wrote:
Justintime wrote:
sincze wrote:Jablotron Oasis perhaps??

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk

Yes, Oasis 80

Can I have a wiki how :)

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk


I uses two doorsensors. One for PGX and one for PGY.

You solder out the glass breaker circuit of the doorsensor.

Solder two wires on the terminals of the doorsensor. One goes to the PGX and one to the ground of the alarm socket.

Enter the settings of the Oasis with Olink software. And set how you want to respond to the PGX and PGY outputs.

I set PGX for knowing when the Alarm is set. And PGY when an Alarm is triggered.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby trixwood » Thursday 12 January 2017 18:53

One of my power plugs just broke, took the attached pi with it to it's grave... :-(

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby Bikey » Thursday 12 January 2017 23:42

I am using the NeoCoolcam door-sensor. Works fine, except that every time the door opens not only the the sensor device (xx00) and "access control" device (xx34) change state, but also device xx32 Alarm Level and device xx33 Alarm Type are triggered.

The Alarm Type/Level devices however, generate an "Alarm Level Secure" in the Domoticz log on each door event.
(I am using the default settings with only the lifeline group 1 being associated with the controller).

Do you also have the same experience? How can this be prevented?

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby cryonic90 » Friday 13 January 2017 12:18

kman wrote:Quick Updates:

Motion Sensor (supports - lux, motion -----NO TEMP):
-------------------
1. Motion Detection: seems fine; on Group 2, I receive the motion detection.

Issues:
---------
1. Lux: I don't see any device for Lux. Has anyone seen this working?

2. Inclusion: Worked only by "Include Node". Did not work when I tried "Include Node Secure"


thanks.


I have seen the lux value change.
But it seems that it only changes when in very light conditions (low light doesn't seem to do anything at all).
But it does seem to work for me (although be it sometimes.... So not very reliable)

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby geezerrr » Friday 13 January 2017 12:22

cryonic90 wrote:
kman wrote:Quick Updates:

Motion Sensor (supports - lux, motion -----NO TEMP):
-------------------
1. Motion Detection: seems fine; on Group 2, I receive the motion detection.

Issues:
---------
1. Lux: I don't see any device for Lux. Has anyone seen this working?

2. Inclusion: Worked only by "Include Node". Did not work when I tried "Include Node Secure"


thanks.


I have seen the lux value change.
But it seems that it only changes when in very light conditions (low light doesn't seem to do anything at all).
But it does seem to work for me (although be it sometimes.... So not very reliable)


Indeed, it need al least 100 lux (default, parameter) of change before it sends an update to the controller..
Unfortunately I'm not able to get this parameter changed.. it just not accept it's new value...

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby kman » Friday 13 January 2017 22:31

Bikey wrote:I am using the NeoCoolcam door-sensor. Works fine, except that every time the door opens not only the the sensor device (xx00) and "access control" device (xx34) change state, but also device xx32 Alarm Level and device xx33 Alarm Type are triggered.

The Alarm Type/Level devices however, generate an "Alarm Level Secure" in the Domoticz log on each door event.
(I am using the default settings with only the lifeline group 1 being associated with the controller).

Do you also have the same experience? How can this be prevented?


I suppose you have the controller added to Group 1. Remove it from Group 1, and add it "only" to Group 2 - this should get rid of AL, AT & AC.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby Bikey » Saturday 14 January 2017 12:27

kman wrote:I suppose you have the controller added to Group 1. Remove it from Group 1, and add it "only" to Group 2 - this should get rid of AL, AT & AC.

Yes, that was the default. Changed it to group 2 only and that that works, thanks!
I don't fully understand why however, because Group 2 is labeled as "Control Commands". Group 4 "Binary Reports" would have been more logically for me.

* EDIT *
If I remove the sensor from Group 1 I think I will lose the reporting of the Battery status, right? That would not be such a good idea then.

Could this be a general design issue with Domoticz? I beginning to think that it might by "by design" that motion/door-sensors send an "Alarm report" on the lifeline on each motion/open detection. Perhaps Domoticz should not report these as an "Alarm level secure" in the log?

We have exactly the same issue with a Fibaro FGMS-001 Gen5 motion sensor, as discussed here.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby kman » Saturday 14 January 2017 20:20

Bikey wrote:
kman wrote:I suppose you have the controller added to Group 1. Remove it from Group 1, and add it "only" to Group 2 - this should get rid of AL, AT & AC.

Yes, that was the default. Changed it to group 2 only and that that works, thanks!
I don't fully understand why however, because Group 2 is labeled as "Control Commands". Group 4 "Binary Reports" would have been more logically for me.

* EDIT *
If I remove the sensor from Group 1 I think I will lose the reporting of the Battery status, right? That would not be such a good idea then.

Could this be a general design issue with Domoticz? I beginning to think that it might by "by design" that motion/door-sensors send an "Alarm report" on the lifeline on each motion/open detection. Perhaps Domoticz should not report these as an "Alarm level secure" in the log?

We have exactly the same issue with a Fibaro FGMS-001 Gen5 motion sensor, as discussed here.


With GEN5 for now, have been ignoring "Lifeline" for now. But really require temp & lux on Fibaro-Motion-GEN5. Had missed the battery reporting on Group 1(thanks!).

GEN5 Issues that you mention above, as they happen so blatantly with any version of domoticz, I think it is time now that it gets the right attention(?) - do you think it should now be reported in the other group "Bugs & Problems"? (or may be doesn't hurt to just drop this there? or does this violate forum rules?)

thanks.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby Bikey » Saturday 14 January 2017 20:32

kman wrote:GEN5 Issues that you mention above, as they happen so blatantly with any version of domoticz, I think it is time now that it gets the right attention(?) - do you think it should now be reported in the other group "Bugs & Problems"? (or may be doesn't hurt to just drop this there? or does this violate forum rules?).

I think we have done enough investigation to escalate this to the general Bugs&Problems forum, perhaps also some of the developers might look into this issue.

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Re: Cheap chinese z-wave products

Postby iganin » Sunday 15 January 2017 17:32

Dear,

Did someone disassemble neo power plug?
I ordered two. It seems one of them has a bad contact inside. It works only when I push the plug from one side. I tried several power outlets.


Thank you for your help in advance.

RESOLVED!!!

Inside the plug, There is a screw which holds an electrical pin of the plug. The screw was not tighten enough
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