Compatible Smoke detectors

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by oopee » Sunday 25 September 2016 9:53

Got Banggood smoke alarm http://www.banggood.com/433MHZ-Home-Sec ... 67105.html, it works fine with Domoticz and RFLink. Was less than $9. Use learn new switch -method. One way only (EV1527 based), so cannot use it as alarm triggered by Domoticz.

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by quazar » Wednesday 07 December 2016 21:33

Renkforce RF101 is cheap and works well with the rfxtrx433.

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Re: RE: Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by Justintime » Thursday 08 December 2016 0:07

quazar wrote:Renkforce RF101 is cheap and works well with the rfxtrx433.
Two way communication? You can trigger alarm within Domoticz?

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Friday 30 December 2016 12:49

I have six FA20RF smoke detectors, initially set them up as one single group. It seemed wise at the time, but the downside is that once the alarm goes off, you have no idea which of the detectors first started beeping. So I want to de-couple them and add them to Domoticz one by one. Via a notification I can then quickly see which alarm has gone off.
So far, so good: first step was to remove all batteries (all 24 of them!) and leave the detectors alone for a while. Then started learning the first detector into Domoticz, works just great.
With the second detector I found out that the group is still intact: one detector triggers the second one.
How can I thoroughly clear the memory of these units? Leaving them without batteries for a week or so has not helped... :-(
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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by b_weijenberg » Friday 30 December 2016 13:35

If you own the RFXtrx433 use RFXmngr to assign a unique ID to each FA20RF.
Select the Security1 - KD101 smoke detector,
Command = pair KD101
Select a random ID for each FA20RF (different from all zeroes)
Set the FA20RF in learning mode and click Transmit
RFXtrx433, RFXtrx433E

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Friday 30 December 2016 13:47

b_weijenberg wrote:If you own the RFXtrx433 use RFXmngr to assign a unique ID to each FA20RF.
Select the Security1 - KD101 smoke detector,
Command = pair KD101
Select a random ID for each FA20RF (different from all zeroes)
Set the FA20RF in learning mode and click Transmit
Sorry, no RFX. I use RFLink... :-)
Hans

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Friday 30 December 2016 13:51

Making progress. I found a compatible smoke detector at Conrad and looked at the instruction manual online.
This is the procedure to de-couple a detector:
1. make sure the master is on
2. on the slave, press LEARN until the LED is green
3. now press TEST for about four seconds.

The slave is now de-coupled. :)

Next problem. I de-coupled all five slaves, and the six all are now independent.
But only the previous master will react properly to the test button: two beeps and then quiet.
The previous slaves react to the test button by continuously beeping. There is no stopping them, taking out the 9V battery is the only way.

Any ideas?
Hans

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Wednesday 04 January 2017 22:03

I am still struggling with the five slaves. I managed to remove the coupling with the master, but now all five ex-slaves respond to the test button with a permanent beeping, until the batteries are removed.
Meanwhile I have decided to use at least the master, it seems to work OK.
I want to send out a notification when the alarm goes off.
I set a notification, and I do get a mail. Not one, but one for every beep... :-( Is there a way to limit this to one single mail? I prefer to use the standard notification setting if possible, not write a script for it.
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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by Siewert308SW » Wednesday 04 January 2017 22:10

manjh wrote:I am still struggling with the five slaves. I managed to remove the coupling with the master, but now all five ex-slaves respond to the test button with a permanent beeping, until the batteries are removed.
Meanwhile I have decided to use at least the master, it seems to work OK.
I want to send out a notification when the alarm goes off.
I set a notification, and I do get a mail. Not one, but one for every beep... :-( Is there a way to limit this to one single mail? I prefer to use the standard notification setting if possible, not write a script for it.
Maybe i don't understand you right.
But as far as i understand you removed the coupling.
When you press the test button on 1 device it will start to sirene but never stops, while it should after a about 5 to 10 seconds.

If i'm right, replace batteries.
Had the same, have 4 of them and did a monthly test.
One alarm did siren but didn't go Off, checked the batteries and the penlites where at a point that the Alarm says batteries are okay but when it sirens the current Volt are to low.
Setup:
1x RPi3 - PIco hv3.0A Plus / Domoticz / RFXtrx433E
1x RPi3 - PiHole / logging gas,elec
3x FI9803P Cam
2x Youless Elec/Gas
4x KD101 detectors
a lot of KaKu/CoCo stuff

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Wednesday 04 January 2017 22:18

Siewert308SW wrote:
manjh wrote:I am still struggling with the five slaves. I managed to remove the coupling with the master, but now all five ex-slaves respond to the test button with a permanent beeping, until the batteries are removed.
Meanwhile I have decided to use at least the master, it seems to work OK.
I want to send out a notification when the alarm goes off.
I set a notification, and I do get a mail. Not one, but one for every beep... :-( Is there a way to limit this to one single mail? I prefer to use the standard notification setting if possible, not write a script for it.
Maybe i don't understand you right.
But as far as i understand you removed the coupling.
When you press the test button on 1 device it will start to sirene but never stops, while it should after a about 5 to 10 seconds.

If i'm right, replace batteries.
Had the same, have 4 of them and did a monthly test.
One alarm did siren but didn't go Off, checked the batteries and the penlites where at a point that the Alarm says batteries are okay but when it sirens the current Volt are to low.
Ah, that might be it.... considering the age of the detectors. I will try a new set tomorrow.
Is it only the penlites, or also the 9V block?
Hans

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by Siewert308SW » Wednesday 04 January 2017 22:23

manjh wrote:
Siewert308SW wrote:
manjh wrote:I am still struggling with the five slaves. I managed to remove the coupling with the master, but now all five ex-slaves respond to the test button with a permanent beeping, until the batteries are removed.
Meanwhile I have decided to use at least the master, it seems to work OK.
I want to send out a notification when the alarm goes off.
I set a notification, and I do get a mail. Not one, but one for every beep... :-( Is there a way to limit this to one single mail? I prefer to use the standard notification setting if possible, not write a script for it.
Maybe i don't understand you right.
But as far as i understand you removed the coupling.
When you press the test button on 1 device it will start to sirene but never stops, while it should after a about 5 to 10 seconds.

If i'm right, replace batteries.
Had the same, have 4 of them and did a monthly test.
One alarm did siren but didn't go Off, checked the batteries and the penlites where at a point that the Alarm says batteries are okay but when it sirens the current Volt are to low.
Ah, that might be it.... considering the age of the detectors. I will try a new set tomorrow.
Is it only the penlites, or also the 9V block?
Penlites.. but i replaced the 9v block also to be sure to have them al fresh and full.
Setup:
1x RPi3 - PIco hv3.0A Plus / Domoticz / RFXtrx433E
1x RPi3 - PiHole / logging gas,elec
3x FI9803P Cam
2x Youless Elec/Gas
4x KD101 detectors
a lot of KaKu/CoCo stuff

Domoticz scripts: @ GitHub
pico_installer: @ GitHub
pico_status: @ GitHub

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Thursday 05 January 2017 12:47

Siewert308SW wrote:
manjh wrote:
Siewert308SW wrote:
Maybe i don't understand you right.
But as far as i understand you removed the coupling.
When you press the test button on 1 device it will start to sirene but never stops, while it should after a about 5 to 10 seconds.

If i'm right, replace batteries.
Had the same, have 4 of them and did a monthly test.
One alarm did siren but didn't go Off, checked the batteries and the penlites where at a point that the Alarm says batteries are okay but when it sirens the current Volt are to low.
Ah, that might be it.... considering the age of the detectors. I will try a new set tomorrow.
Is it only the penlites, or also the 9V block?
Penlites.. but i replaced the 9v block also to be sure to have them al fresh and full.
I checked the batteries with a multimeter, and they were all well below specified voltage.
So I took fresh penlites and 9V block, and retried. Same behaviour: when I press "test" it starts an ongoing series of beeps, not the two beeps that is should.
I have also opened one of the sensors, which is quite easy.
Not much on the inside, I was hoping for a "factory reset" but nothing there.
While it was open i used a vacuum cleaner to remove all dust, also from the black closed device that I suspect to be the actual sensor. Did not help.

Any more ideas anyone, before I decide to scrap these sensors?
Hans

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by Siewert308SW » Thursday 05 January 2017 12:50

manjh wrote:
Siewert308SW wrote:
manjh wrote: Ah, that might be it.... considering the age of the detectors. I will try a new set tomorrow.
Is it only the penlites, or also the 9V block?
Penlites.. but i replaced the 9v block also to be sure to have them al fresh and full.
I checked the batteries with a multimeter, and they were all well below specified voltage.
So I took fresh penlites and 9V block, and retried. Same behaviour: when I press "test" it starts an ongoing series of beeps, not the two beeps that is should.
I have also opened one of the sensors, which is quite easy.
Not much on the inside, I was hoping for a "factory reset" but nothing there.
While it was open i used a vacuum cleaner to remove all dust, also from the black closed device that I suspect to be the actual sensor. Did not help.

Any more ideas anyone, before I decide to scrap these sensors?
Thats a pitty, but worth a try.
Maybe it's broken but i don't how to check that.
Goodluck.
Setup:
1x RPi3 - PIco hv3.0A Plus / Domoticz / RFXtrx433E
1x RPi3 - PiHole / logging gas,elec
3x FI9803P Cam
2x Youless Elec/Gas
4x KD101 detectors
a lot of KaKu/CoCo stuff

Domoticz scripts: @ GitHub
pico_installer: @ GitHub
pico_status: @ GitHub

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Thursday 05 January 2017 13:29

Siewert308SW wrote:
manjh wrote:
Siewert308SW wrote:
Penlites.. but i replaced the 9v block also to be sure to have them al fresh and full.
I checked the batteries with a multimeter, and they were all well below specified voltage.
So I took fresh penlites and 9V block, and retried. Same behaviour: when I press "test" it starts an ongoing series of beeps, not the two beeps that is should.
I have also opened one of the sensors, which is quite easy.
Not much on the inside, I was hoping for a "factory reset" but nothing there.
While it was open i used a vacuum cleaner to remove all dust, also from the black closed device that I suspect to be the actual sensor. Did not help.

Any more ideas anyone, before I decide to scrap these sensors?
Thats a pitty, but worth a try.
Maybe it's broken but i don't how to check that.
Goodluck.
That's the weird thing: I have six detectors, one was master, five were slaves. I de-coupled all slaves, and now all of them show the same behaviour. Broken? Could be for one, maybe two, but all five? Too much of a coincidence...
Hans

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by IAsDoubleYou » Saturday 21 January 2017 12:03

Came across while looking for Domoticz compatible smoke sensors. Don't have specific experience on these devices.
That said i was wondering if it would be possible to pair one of the five slave sensors with one of the other ones so that it will become a master itself. After that decouple the set. Hopefully the ex-master will then work as expected, like your well-behaving original master of the group of six. If that succeeds, do the same with the other slaves.
The challenge will then be the last slave since there will no more devices left to promote it to master.

Good luck!
The answer is Yes! The question is the question?

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by manjh » Saturday 21 January 2017 12:59

IAsDoubleYou wrote:Came across while looking for Domoticz compatible smoke sensors. Don't have specific experience on these devices.
That said i was wondering if it would be possible to pair one of the five slave sensors with one of the other ones so that it will become a master itself. After that decouple the set. Hopefully the ex-master will then work as expected, like your well-behaving original master of the group of six. If that succeeds, do the same with the other slaves.
The challenge will then be the last slave since there will no more devices left to promote it to master.

Good luck!
Yes, I see your point. I'll give it a try.
Hans

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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by TomS » Wednesday 01 March 2017 14:58

quazar wrote:Renkforce RF101 is cheap and works well with the rfxtrx433.
Quazar, do you get also battery low messages from the smoke detector?

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Re: RE: Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by phoenixblue » Thursday 02 March 2017 1:01

TomS wrote:
quazar wrote:Renkforce RF101 is cheap and works well with the rfxtrx433.
Quazar, do you get also battery low messages from the smoke detector?
And does it also work with the RFLink?
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Re: Compatible Smoke detectors

Post by kman » Sunday 13 August 2017 16:39

PeteB wrote:
Friday 16 January 2015 23:11
Hi all,

I am new to using Domoticz, I only have one device which is a First Alert Combined alarm. I am having issues trying to include it via my Aeon Stick.

I want to eliminate options before I buy more sensors, can anybody tell me if they got this smoke detector working on a Raspberry Pi with the Aeon v2 stick?

Or have got it working at all...

Thanks
Hi,
Did you manager to resolve the 'issue of including' First Alert CO detector to Aeon Zstick Gen5 via domoticz?

I see to have the problem as well, I don't see the inclusion happening. I am using domoticz ver 3.7x and OZW ver 1.4x

Any suggestions?

thanks.

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