Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

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Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Marq » Sunday 10 January 2016 19:08

Hi,
I have a Fibaro FGSD-002 Smoke Detector.
Is it possible to let it act as an alarm ?
(in other words, let the alarm go off manually / by scripting ?)
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Marq » Thursday 21 January 2016 22:57

Nobody ??

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby nayr » Thursday 21 January 2016 23:04

no, these devices are not switchable.. its functionally much like a motion sensor, it can tell you there is motion but you cant tell it there is motion.
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Kohen » Monday 01 February 2016 20:10

so there is no way to control the smoke sensor ? Or not yet?
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby nayr » Monday 01 February 2016 21:42

it was never designed to do what you want... so no way.
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Kohen » Monday 01 February 2016 21:45

but i want to! .. i 'm looking for a device what can make sound. replacing my door chime. smoke detector would be best because i have them everywhere so i have the sound everywhere i need it :)

other suggestions?
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby nayr » Monday 01 February 2016 21:51

Z-Wave chimes suck, I feel your pain.. and not really, there is a new chime out but its not fully functional last I checked.. its only working as a alarm siren, none of the other sounds seem to be functioning, yet.

personally I plan on just adding a relay to fire off alternate ringger on my wired doorbell, its got an unused chime for a back door that I think I'll steal for system alerts like the mailbox or gates opening... there is a MiMo Z-Wave device that could do this job if you want to stick with Z-Wave.. but I doubt it'll fit in your doorbell housing so wiring may still be required.
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby manwe » Thursday 04 February 2016 16:00

You could use a Z-Wave Switch to set something on Fire :lol:

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Marq » Saturday 06 February 2016 11:38

My question was triggered by this remark in the manual:
Sending the notification ALARM SENSOR REPORT (TYPE = SMOKE ALARM) to associated devices once smoke is detected. Up to five devices supporting fire alarm command may be included in this group


I interpret this, that through association, one smoke detector can trigger the alarm of associated smoke detectors.

Is there a way to use this, to fool :mrgreen: the smoke detector, and trigger the alarm by Domoticz ?

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby nayr » Saturday 06 February 2016 22:02

no... but lets pretend you could.. every time the door opens you want your smoke alarms giong off? wtf.. I doubt you'll have the ability to shut them off without walking up to them and pushing the button.. most tamper and security alarms in z-wave can only be triggered on, the device will go back to a normal state on its own and no commands will help you reset the alarm.

just give it up already.. hooking a smoke alarm up to your front door is asinine.

If you need to drive a nail, try using a Hammer instead of your face.. You'll find life is easy when you use the right tool for the job... so go buy a freaking alarm/chime that you can instruct to go on/off.
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Marq » Saturday 20 February 2016 11:43

nayr wrote: If you need to drive a nail, try using a Hammer instead of your face.. You'll find life is easy when you use the right tool for the job...

There are people who drive nails into their head, and become creative of it... perhaps something for you to try ?

Why buy a new alarm if you have several hanging around the house ?

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby nayr » Saturday 20 February 2016 12:22

This thread is making me really consider it..

They are not ZWave alarms, they are sensor inputs that happen have a local Alarm.. no output is exposed so your shit out of luck bro. Input != Output
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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby mchris » Wednesday 11 January 2017 12:58

Old thread, but still I have an idéa:
Maybe you could use the Excess Temperature Warning. When you want to trigger the alarm - set it to one degree celcius (not zero, which disables the function), afterwards set it back (default 55 degrees).
Question is how to make it react quickly since it normally sleeps and takes a while to react to parameter changes...

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Egregius » Wednesday 11 January 2017 13:06

Buy a siren, no hassle.
Fibaro smoke detectors aren't designed for this functionnality.

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby antares » Sunday 22 January 2017 14:52

You can use the Popp smoke detectors that also come with a separate siren.

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby lost » Monday 23 January 2017 12:03

Egregius wrote:Buy a siren, no hassle.
Fibaro smoke detectors aren't designed for this functionnality.


I think this is a mistake from Fibaro... That Popp avoided!
Especially from a manufacturer that is not on the siren market and would not have suffered from adding this function.

I bought a few Fibaro smoke detectors (currently discounted at 19€ in France) recently and even if I already own an Aeon siren (that is located under my garage roof, to be also heard from outside & can relay some sensors a bit far from controler), ability to trigger the smoke detectors alarm independently would have been nice.

This was not a (bad) surprise for me, indeed, as I already considered buying these a few months ago. But at it's usual price (over 50€), I was reluctant to buy single purpose modules that may have fit other requirements, especially difficult to understand here because this could have been done with no added cost! Only the discount made the deal.

Multi-purpose modules are indeed the trend on the z-wave market, even when added functions adds a few bucks (like temp monitoring for a PIR...).

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Luigi87 » Monday 23 January 2017 12:24

lost wrote:
Egregius wrote:Buy a siren, no hassle.
Fibaro smoke detectors aren't designed for this functionnality.


I think this is a mistake from Fibaro... That Popp avoided!
Especially from a manufacturer that is not on the siren market and would not have suffered from adding this function.

I bought a few Fibaro smoke detectors (currently discounted at 19€ in France) recently and even if I already own an Aeon siren (that is located under my garage roof, to be also heard from outside & can relay some sensors a bit far from controler), ability to trigger the smoke detectors alarm independently would have been nice.

This was not a (bad) surprise for me, indeed, as I already considered buying these a few months ago. But at it's usual price (over 50€), I was reluctant to buy single purpose modules that may have fit other requirements, especially difficult to understand here because this could have been done with no added cost! Only the discount made the deal.

Multi-purpose modules are indeed the trend on the z-wave market, even when added functions adds a few bucks (like temp monitoring for a PIR...).


Woow thats a big discount.
Are you living in France? Where do you bought them?

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby antares » Monday 23 January 2017 14:43

Do you have a link where to buy them?

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby lost » Monday 23 January 2017 18:55

antares wrote:Do you have a link where to buy them?


As several other Fibaro modules (take care, some are old versions not z-wave+ as the eye-PIR at 29€, but the smoke detector is the last version, the only one that is at french norm), they are discounted by Orange: They propose a box called Homelive that is z-wave based.

Link:
http://homelive.orange.fr/objets/

The smoke det appear at 29€, but once in the basket it's at 19 (they made a mistake)!
Correction, now it stays at 29 :-(

Don't know if they deliver oustide France, indeed, but you can try...

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Re: Manually set the alarm of a Fibaro Smoke Detector

Postby Luigi87 » Tuesday 24 January 2017 9:58

lost wrote:
antares wrote:Do you have a link where to buy them?


As several other Fibaro modules (take care, some are old versions not z-wave+ as the eye-PIR at 29€, but the smoke detector is the last version, the only one that is at french norm), they are discounted by Orange: They propose a box called Homelive that is z-wave based.

Link:
http://homelive.orange.fr/objets/

The smoke det appear at 29€, but once in the basket it's at 19 (they made a mistake)!
Correction, now it stays at 29 :-(

Don't know if they deliver oustide France, indeed, but you can try...


I tried to order, but there is no possibility to select another country than France.  the price is so low and I would like 3 units :S

Edit: it looks like the older version of the Fibaro Smoke Sensor, without the Zwave +


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